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Bowling Alley shut at Eden after fire
EDEN'S bowling alley is shut until further notice after a fuseboard feeding into it caught fire today, causing a temporary evacuation.
The upstairs area of the shopping centre including the alley, cinema, restaurant and some other shops had to be closed off for around three hours from 3.30pm.
Fire crews from High Wycombe attended after smoke was seen coming from an electrical store room.
Firefighters had to force entry to get into the room. The fire was small but it caused large amounts of smoke and the surrounding parts of the building were evacuated as a precaution.
Watch manager Maloney, from High Wycombe Fire station, led a team carrying out a re-inspection at 7.30pm this evening.
He said: "It seems to be fine now, no cause for alarm.
"We let the security guards know to keep an eye on it but I'm a hundred per cent now that it's safe and has all cooled down."
An investigation will take place to uncover what caused the fire but it is thought the fuseboard probably over heated.
8:39pm Saturday 3rd May 2008
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CommentPosted by: Ivor on 9:10pm Sat 3 May 08
[quote]An investigation will take place to uncover what caused the fire but it is thought the fuseboard probably over heated.[/quote]But this is a new shopping centre supposedly built to modern standards! How many more overloaded fuse boxes are there in the complex just waiting to catch fire?
Surely they should shut the whole complex until electrical checks for any more overloaded circuits are done?
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An investigation will take place to uncover what caused the fire but it is thought the fuseboard probably over heated.
But this is a new shopping centre supposedly built to modern standards! How many more overloaded fuse boxes are there in the complex just waiting to catch fire?
Surely they should shut the whole complex until electrical checks for any more overloaded circuits are done?
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Posted by: the inspector, High Wycombe on 10:29pm Sat 3 May 08
Well why dont you toddle off and email the Health & Safety Executive and suggest that then Ivor?
Well why dont you toddle off and email the Health & Safety Executive and suggest that then Ivor?
Posted by: spotty, Holmer Green on 8:40am Sun 4 May 08
I was there yesterday and one of the members of staff told me that power cuts happened regularly due to overload!
I was there yesterday and one of the members of staff told me that power cuts happened regularly due to overload!
Posted by: Feist the Heist, High Wycombe on 11:05am Sun 4 May 08
How on earth (excuse the pun) does a member of staff know that the powercuts are due to overload. Have they performed tests on the circuits to determine this? I don't think so. Having said that, it looks as though no-one has performed a thorough electrical test, which does beg the question how did the centre pass building control in the first place?
How on earth (excuse the pun) does a member of staff know that the powercuts are due to overload. Have they performed tests on the circuits to determine this? I don't think so. Having said that, it looks as though no-one has performed a thorough electrical test, which does beg the question how did the centre pass building control in the first place?
Posted by: Steve, Totteridge Hill on 1:35pm Sun 4 May 08
My daughter was there with a party of school friends yesterday...totally ruined the birthday party. I wonder if they'll be bothered to send an apology?
I expect not!
My daughter was there with a party of school friends yesterday...totally ruined the birthday party. I wonder if they'll be bothered to send an apology?
I expect not!
Posted by: R. D. on 4:25pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote]Watch manager Maloney, from High Wycombe Fire station, led a team carrying out a re-inspection at 7.30pm this evening.
He said: "It seems to be fine now, no cause for alarm. "We let the security guards know to keep an eye on it but I'm a hundred per cent now that it's safe and has all cooled down."[/quote]
This sounds very dangerous to me, cables get hot due to carrying too many amps. Fuses or circuit breakers should trip, and protect the cables from overheating. It would seem to me, that the fuses in question are not working, or at least in this case, did not work.
Saying it's safe now that it's all cooled down is just not good enough. What about next time?
Watch manager Maloney, from High Wycombe Fire station, led a team carrying out a re-inspection at 7.30pm this evening.
He said: "It seems to be fine now, no cause for alarm. "We let the security guards know to keep an eye on it but I'm a hundred per cent now that it's safe and has all cooled down."
This sounds very dangerous to me, cables get hot due to carrying too many amps. Fuses or circuit breakers should trip, and protect the cables from overheating. It would seem to me, that the fuses in question are not working, or at least in this case, did not work.
Saying it's safe now that it's all cooled down is just not good enough. What about next time?
Posted by: kazza, high wycombe on 5:57pm Sun 4 May 08
my son got his party booked there for saturday......me thinks we could be going elsewhere!
my son got his party booked there for saturday......me thinks we could be going elsewhere!
Posted by: AMF Team Member, High Wycombe on 7:45pm Sun 4 May 08
Hello their, I work for AMF Bowling. None of the staff told any customer we had power-cuts, the Center is safe and it was just a accident. It has nothing to do with AMF Bowling. if you have any problems then contact the Eden because it was their side of the electrics.
Stop moaning! get a life
Hello their, I work for AMF Bowling. None of the staff told any customer we had power-cuts, the Center is safe and it was just a accident. It has nothing to do with AMF Bowling. if you have any problems then contact the Eden because it was their side of the electrics.
Stop moaning! get a life
Posted by: AMF Team Member, High Wycombe on 7:45pm Sun 4 May 08
Hello their, I work for AMF Bowling. None of the staff told any customer we had power-cuts, the Center is safe and it was just a accident. It has nothing to do with AMF Bowling. if you have any problems then contact the Eden because it was their side of the electrics.
Stop moaning! get a life
Hello their, I work for AMF Bowling. None of the staff told any customer we had power-cuts, the Center is safe and it was just a accident. It has nothing to do with AMF Bowling. if you have any problems then contact the Eden because it was their side of the electrics.
Stop moaning! get a life
Posted by: Ivor on 7:59pm Sun 4 May 08
[quote]Center is safe and it was just a accident.[/quote]I would hardly describe an electrical fire as an accident. Properly installed electrical systems do not overheat as surely the total loading should be worked out in advance to ensure overheating does not take place.
If the centre is so safe how come it caught fire yesterday? Are we being taken for fools?
The public will take a lot of convincing before they return as they don’t want to be caught out next time the whole lot goes up in smoke....
Center is safe and it was just a accident.
I would hardly describe an electrical fire as an accident. Properly installed electrical systems do not overheat as surely the total loading should be worked out in advance to ensure overheating does not take place.
If the centre is so safe how come it caught fire yesterday? Are we being taken for fools?
The public will take a lot of convincing before they return as they don’t want to be caught out next time the whole lot goes up in smoke....
Posted by: AMF Team Member, High Wycombe on 9:49pm Sun 4 May 08
i can assure u that the eden will not set alight, The eden has now spotted the mistake and will rectify it. I say again this was nothing to do with AMF Bowling.
End of Conversation!
i can assure u that the eden will not set alight, The eden has now spotted the mistake and will rectify it. I say again this was nothing to do with AMF Bowling.
End of Conversation!
Posted by: R. D. on 11:48pm Sun 4 May 08
AMF Team Member said "Stop moaning! get a life"
I say "take notice and keep the one you have"!
End of Conversation now AMF Team Member!
AMF Team Member said "Stop moaning! get a life"
I say "take notice and keep the one you have"!
End of Conversation now AMF Team Member!
Posted by: Steve, Totteridge Hill on 8:57am Mon 5 May 08
The power was out for a full 15 minutes before the staff thought to get everyone out!
Thank goodness there wasn't a real blaze going...
The power was out for a full 15 minutes before the staff thought to get everyone out!
Thank goodness there wasn't a real blaze going...
Posted by: AMF Team Member, High Wycombe on 1:14pm Mon 5 May 08
it was not 15 minutes! Eden did not notify us that it was a electrical fire, so all the stsff thought that it was just a powercut, in which case we tryed to fix the problem.
it was not 15 minutes! Eden did not notify us that it was a electrical fire, so all the stsff thought that it was just a powercut, in which case we tryed to fix the problem.
Posted by: AMF Team Member, High Wycombe on 1:15pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]R. D.[/bold] wrote:
AMF Team Member said "Stop moaning! get a life" I say "take notice and keep the one you have"! End of Conversation now AMF Team Member![/quote] what the hell are you on about!
R. D. wrote:
AMF Team Member said "Stop moaning! get a life" I say "take notice and keep the one you have"! End of Conversation now AMF Team Member!
what the hell are you on about!
Posted by: paulc, Amersham on 2:02pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote]End of Conversation![/quote]
Would it were true!
Haha, I can't believe a representative of the bowling alley came on here to tell people to get a life! Astonishingly good PR there!
End of Conversation!
Would it were true!
Haha, I can't believe a representative of the bowling alley came on here to tell people to get a life! Astonishingly good PR there!
Posted by: Ivor on 2:07pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote]Firefighters had to force entry to get into the room.[/quote]Why was there not a member of staff on hand with a master key?[quote]Fire crews from High Wycombe attended after smoke was seen coming from an electrical store room.[/quote]So the smoke was “seen” coming from the electrical store room. Why did the fire alarms not go off? Surely it should be common practice to have a fire alarm detector placed in situations where fire is likely to break out (i.e. close to the fuse boards). The news article and all of the readers who so far have left comments have failed to mention anything about the automatic fire alarms going off and detecting the fire first. Do the fire alarms actually work?
The public will take a lot of convincing before they return to the bowling alley now this has taken place....
[bold]Have you read Ivor’s blog today?[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Firefighters had to force entry to get into the room.
Why was there not a member of staff on hand with a master key?
Fire crews from High Wycombe attended after smoke was seen coming from an electrical store room.
So the smoke was “seen” coming from the electrical store room. Why did the fire alarms not go off? Surely it should be common practice to have a fire alarm detector placed in situations where fire is likely to break out (i.e. close to the fuse boards). The news article and all of the readers who so far have left comments have failed to mention anything about the automatic fire alarms going off and detecting the fire first. Do the fire alarms actually work?
The public will take a lot of convincing before they return to the bowling alley now this has taken place....
Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Posted by: smokey, high wycombe on 11:06pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Ivor[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Firefighters had to force entry to get into the room.[/quote]Why was there not a member of staff on hand with a master key?[quote]Fire crews from High Wycombe attended after smoke was seen coming from an electrical store room.[/quote]So the smoke was “seen” coming from the electrical store room. Why did the fire alarms not go off? Surely it should be common practice to have a fire alarm detector placed in situations where fire is likely to break out (i.e. close to the fuse boards). The news article and all of the readers who so far have left comments have failed to mention anything about the automatic fire alarms going off and detecting the fire first. Do the fire alarms actually work? The public will take a lot of convincing before they return to the bowling alley now this has taken place.... [bold]Have you read Ivor’s blog today?[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.[/quote] how on earth do you know what the public will want or not want?
At the end of the day it was a small fire - no one was hurt - FFS it could have been a lot worse and it wasn't!
Ivor wrote:
Firefighters had to force entry to get into the room.
Why was there not a member of staff on hand with a master key?Fire crews from High Wycombe attended after smoke was seen coming from an electrical store room.
So the smoke was “seen” coming from the electrical store room. Why did the fire alarms not go off? Surely it should be common practice to have a fire alarm detector placed in situations where fire is likely to break out (i.e. close to the fuse boards). The news article and all of the readers who so far have left comments have failed to mention anything about the automatic fire alarms going off and detecting the fire first. Do the fire alarms actually work? The public will take a lot of convincing before they return to the bowling alley now this has taken place.... Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
how on earth do you know what the public will want or not want?
At the end of the day it was a small fire - no one was hurt - FFS it could have been a lot worse and it wasn't!
Posted by: Ron Schreck on 11:06pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]Ivor[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Firefighters had to force entry to get into the room.[/quote]Why was there not a member of staff on hand with a master key?[quote]Fire crews from High Wycombe attended after smoke was seen coming from an electrical store room.[/quote]So the smoke was “seen” coming from the electrical store room. Why did the fire alarms not go off? Surely it should be common practice to have a fire alarm detector placed in situations where fire is likely to break out (i.e. close to the fuse boards). The news article and all of the readers who so far have left comments have failed to mention anything about the automatic fire alarms going off and detecting the fire first. Do the fire alarms actually work? The public will take a lot of convincing before they return to the bowling alley now this has taken place.... [bold]Have you read Ivor’s blog today?[/bold] Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.[/quote] Is there a sprinkler system installed. Why did it not go off?Maybe it is connected to the fountain. The AMF guy is being very defensive. WHY? I have not read anywhere in here where anybody blamed AMF or the bowling center. Also AMF guy, I think you should go back to grammer school. Are you part of Management or just a mechanic weenie that fixes the machinery when it breaks down? I would think that someone in Management would have better PR and grammer.
Ivor wrote:
Firefighters had to force entry to get into the room.
Why was there not a member of staff on hand with a master key?Fire crews from High Wycombe attended after smoke was seen coming from an electrical store room.
So the smoke was “seen” coming from the electrical store room. Why did the fire alarms not go off? Surely it should be common practice to have a fire alarm detector placed in situations where fire is likely to break out (i.e. close to the fuse boards). The news article and all of the readers who so far have left comments have failed to mention anything about the automatic fire alarms going off and detecting the fire first. Do the fire alarms actually work? The public will take a lot of convincing before they return to the bowling alley now this has taken place.... Have you read Ivor’s blog today? Click on the “Opinion” link on the menu on the left then click on “Readers Bucks Blog”.
Is there a sprinkler system installed. Why did it not go off?Maybe it is connected to the fountain. The AMF guy is being very defensive. WHY? I have not read anywhere in here where anybody blamed AMF or the bowling center. Also AMF guy, I think you should go back to grammer school. Are you part of Management or just a mechanic weenie that fixes the machinery when it breaks down? I would think that someone in Management would have better PR and grammer.
Posted by: Ron Schreck on 11:16pm Mon 5 May 08
[quote][bold]AMF Team Member[/bold] wrote:
it was not 15 minutes! Eden did not notify us that it was a electrical fire, so all the stsff thought that it was just a powercut, in which case we tryed to fix the problem.[/quote] Mr. AMF; if it was not 15 minutes, then how long was it? How many power cuts have you had now since Eden opened. It doesn't sound like this was the first time you expewrienced this. And then you say "we tryed to fix the problem." What problem? You said AMF did not have a problem. Is this why we are only hearing about the bowling center being closed and none of the other outlets are affected. HMMM, time to call in Sherlock.
AMF Team Member wrote:
it was not 15 minutes! Eden did not notify us that it was a electrical fire, so all the stsff thought that it was just a powercut, in which case we tryed to fix the problem.
Mr. AMF; if it was not 15 minutes, then how long was it? How many power cuts have you had now since Eden opened. It doesn't sound like this was the first time you expewrienced this. And then you say "we tryed to fix the problem." What problem? You said AMF did not have a problem. Is this why we are only hearing about the bowling center being closed and none of the other outlets are affected. HMMM, time to call in Sherlock.
Posted by: chris toff, South Bucks on 1:07am Tue 6 May 08
Cheap Equipment and Cheap Labour Result BOOM!!!! eLECTRICAL fIRE FOR STARTERS !!!!
Cheap Equipment and Cheap Labour Result BOOM!!!! eLECTRICAL fIRE FOR STARTERS !!!!
Posted by: woooooopy, wycombe on 1:24pm Tue 6 May 08
Ron Schreck..i think you should check out your "grammer" before you go criticising someone elses! And when did the AMF guy say he was in management?
Ron Schreck..i think you should check out your "grammer" before you go criticising someone elses! And when did the AMF guy say he was in management?
Posted by: woooooopy, wycombe on 1:27pm Tue 6 May 08
Rom Schreck, perhaps you should check your own "grammer" before criticising somebody elses! And since when did AMF team member say he was part of management...?
Rom Schreck, perhaps you should check your own "grammer" before criticising somebody elses! And since when did AMF team member say he was part of management...?
Posted by: Steve, Totteridge Hill on 7:45pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]AMF Team Member[/bold] wrote:
it was not 15 minutes! Eden did not notify us that it was a electrical fire, so all the stsff thought that it was just a powercut, in which case we tryed to fix the problem.[/quote] My daughter says different! They thought it was odd just being lefdt "in the dark" so they had time to reclaim their shoes before anyone said to evacuate!
AMF Team Member wrote:
it was not 15 minutes! Eden did not notify us that it was a electrical fire, so all the stsff thought that it was just a powercut, in which case we tryed to fix the problem.
My daughter says different! They thought it was odd just being lefdt "in the dark" so they had time to reclaim their shoes before anyone said to evacuate!
Posted by: Steve, Totteridge Hill on 7:48pm Tue 6 May 08
[quote][bold]Steve[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]AMF Team Member[/bold] wrote: it was not 15 minutes! Eden did not notify us that it was a electrical fire, so all the stsff thought that it was just a powercut, in which case we tryed to fix the problem.[/quote] My daughter says different! They thought it was odd just being lefdt "in the dark" so they had time to reclaim their shoes before anyone said to evacuate![/quote] Oops!
My daughter says different! They thought it was odd just being left [italic]"in the dark"[/italic] so they had time to reclaim their shoes before anyone said to evacuate!
Steve wrote:
AMF Team Member wrote: it was not 15 minutes! Eden did not notify us that it was a electrical fire, so all the stsff thought that it was just a powercut, in which case we tryed to fix the problem.
My daughter says different! They thought it was odd just being lefdt "in the dark" so they had time to reclaim their shoes before anyone said to evacuate!
Oops!
My daughter says different! They thought it was odd just being left
"in the dark" so they had time to reclaim their shoes before anyone said to evacuate!
Posted by: get _a_ life_ wycombe, high wycombe on 8:04pm Thu 8 May 08
oh dear,
It seems to me that everybody is getting in right state about all this. I personally was there on the day in question and I dont think that there was anything that ANYBODY could have done to avoid what happened. I also feel that if you really think about it I dont think that any of the above companies would willingly shut the doors on their business's (esp on a bank holiday weekend!) And as for the AMF rep, what did they ever do to you guys, they were just trying assure the public that as far as the bowling center was concerned they were unaware of the fire at the time of it happening but once they did everybody was evacuated. I just found it extremley funny reading the comments, you sound like a bunch of school children "oh well he said, then she said!" I personally think the bowling alley and its surrounding business's have been a huge asset to wycombe, its given everybody a place to go (well thats what i am asuming seeing as you all kicked up such a fuss when it shut??) The staff are friendly and helpful, the atmosphere is fun, i think the bowling is great. I am assuming now that its all re-opened you will all be hot footing down there to get bowling??!!!
you have spent enough time whinging its closed????
[italic]italic[/italic]
oh dear,
It seems to me that everybody is getting in right state about all this. I personally was there on the day in question and I dont think that there was anything that ANYBODY could have done to avoid what happened. I also feel that if you really think about it I dont think that any of the above companies would willingly shut the doors on their business's (esp on a bank holiday weekend!) And as for the AMF rep, what did they ever do to you guys, they were just trying assure the public that as far as the bowling center was concerned they were unaware of the fire at the time of it happening but once they did everybody was evacuated. I just found it extremley funny reading the comments, you sound like a bunch of school children "oh well he said, then she said!" I personally think the bowling alley and its surrounding business's have been a huge asset to wycombe, its given everybody a place to go (well thats what i am asuming seeing as you all kicked up such a fuss when it shut??) The staff are friendly and helpful, the atmosphere is fun, i think the bowling is great. I am assuming now that its all re-opened you will all be hot footing down there to get bowling??!!!
you have spent enough time whinging its closed????
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